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King of the Andals and the First Men

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[[File:Joffrey 2x04.jpg|thumb|250px|King [[Joffrey Baratheon]] sits on the [[Iron Throne]].]]
 
[[File:Joffrey 2x04.jpg|thumb|250px|King [[Joffrey Baratheon]] sits on the [[Iron Throne]].]]
 
[[File:Tommens-Coronation.jpg|250px|right|thumb|[[Tommen Baratheon]] is crowned King of the Andals and the First Men.]]
 
[[File:Tommens-Coronation.jpg|250px|right|thumb|[[Tommen Baratheon]] is crowned King of the Andals and the First Men.]]
The '''King of the Andals and the First Men''' is the ruler of the [[Seven Kingdoms]], the unified realm which includes almost all of [[Westeros]], except [[the Wall]], and the lands [[Beyond the Wall]] in the frozen north. The King of the unified Seven Kingdoms sits on the [[Iron Throne]] in the capital city [[King's Landing]], in the royal palace known as the [[Red Keep]].
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The '''King of the Andals and the First Men''' is the ruler of the [[Seven Kingdoms]], the unified realm which includes almost all of [[Westeros]], except [[the Wall]], and the lands [[Beyond the Wall]] in the frozen north. The King of the unified Seven Kingdoms sits on the [[Iron Throne]] in the capital city [[King's Landing]], in the royal palace known as the [[Red Keep]].
   
 
==Titles==
 
==Titles==
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The office of the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms is often referred to as the [[Iron Throne]], in reference to the eponymous throne on which the King holds court.
 
The office of the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms is often referred to as the [[Iron Throne]], in reference to the eponymous throne on which the King holds court.
 
[[File:King in the North crown.png|thumb|left|220x220px|Crown of Aegon the Conqueror]]
 
[[File:King in the North crown.png|thumb|left|220x220px|Crown of Aegon the Conqueror]]
The position was created when [[Aegon I Targaryen|Aegon the Conqueror]] succeeded in his [[War of Conquest|conquest]] of [[Westeros]], unifying the zaad zak
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The position was created when [[Aegon I Targaryen|Aegon the Conqueror]] succeeded in his [[War of Conquest|conquest]] of [[Westeros]], unifying the independent kingdoms of the [[Iron Islands|Isles]] and [[the Riverlands|Rivers]], [[The Westerlands|the Rock]], [[the Reach]], [[Vale of Arryn|the Mountain and Vale]], [[the Stormlands]] and the Kingdom of [[the North]]. The Principality of [[Dorne]] was later united to the realm through marriage-alliance.
 
kingdoms of the [[Iron Islands|Isles]] and [[the Riverlands|Rivers]], [[The Westerlands|the Rock]], [[the Reach]], [[Vale of Arryn|the Mountain and Vale]], [[the Stormlands]] and the Kingdom of [[the North]]. The Principality of [[Dorne]] was later united to the realm through marriage-alliance.
 
   
 
The King is formally addressed by his subjects as '''"Your Grace"''' and in official events referred to employing the following structure: '''"Name" of the House "Name" the "ordinal number" of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm"'''. For example, [[Robert Baratheon]] is formally referred to as "Robert of the House Baratheon, the first of His name" etc. If a king has not yet reached [[Nameday|the legal age of majority]], however, a [[Regent]] will be named to rule until he comes of age.
 
The King is formally addressed by his subjects as '''"Your Grace"''' and in official events referred to employing the following structure: '''"Name" of the House "Name" the "ordinal number" of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm"'''. For example, [[Robert Baratheon]] is formally referred to as "Robert of the House Baratheon, the first of His name" etc. If a king has not yet reached [[Nameday|the legal age of majority]], however, a [[Regent]] will be named to rule until he comes of age.
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==In the books==
 
==In the books==
 
===Dorne and the Rhoynar===
 
===Dorne and the Rhoynar===
In the ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]'' novels, the full title used is actually "'''King of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men'''", Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm". It's probable that "the [[Rhoynar]]" was omitted in Season 1 for the sake of not confusing viewers who haven't read the books with too much information, because [[Dorne]] and the Rhoynar wouldn't be introduced until [[Season 4]]. Corroborating this, very few references were made about Dorne at all before Season 4, compared to the earlier novels which referred to it and [[House Martell]] often - the TV series held off on giving this much long exposition, until [[Oberyn Martell]] was physically introduced on-screen in Season 4 (though on the other hand, Season 1 didn't actually explain who "the [[First Men]]" or "the [[Andals]]" were in on-screen dialogue either, only in supplementary materials).
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In the ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]'' novels, the full title used is actually "'''King of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men'''", Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm". It's probable that "the [[Rhoynar]]" was omitted in Season 1 for the sake of not confusing viewers who haven't read the books with too much information, because [[Dorne]] and the Rhoynar wouldn't be introduced until [[Season 4]]. Corroborating this, very few references were made about Dorne at all before Season 4, compared to the earlier novels which referred to it and [[House Martell]] often - the TV series held off on giving this much long exposition, until [[Oberyn Martell]] was physically introduced on-screen in Season 4 (though on the other hand, Season 1 didn't actually explain who "the [[First Men]]" or "the [[Andals]]" were in on-screen dialogue either, only in supplementary materials).
   
 
When Season 4 did eventually air, however, the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" continued to be used. Even during King [[Tommen Baratheon]]'s coronation scene in "[[First of His Name]]", with Prince [[Oberyn Martell]] standing prominently among the nobles assembled in front of the Iron Throne, Tommen is still crowned using only the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" - excluding "the Rhoynar", even though as a [[Dornishmen|Dornishman]] Oberyn is himself descended from the Rhoynar. However, in the season finale, Daenerys is presented using the full title.
 
When Season 4 did eventually air, however, the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" continued to be used. Even during King [[Tommen Baratheon]]'s coronation scene in "[[First of His Name]]", with Prince [[Oberyn Martell]] standing prominently among the nobles assembled in front of the Iron Throne, Tommen is still crowned using only the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" - excluding "the Rhoynar", even though as a [[Dornishmen|Dornishman]] Oberyn is himself descended from the Rhoynar. However, in the season finale, Daenerys is presented using the full title.
   
It would appear that the TV series initially chose to continue using the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" because it is what they had been using for three seasons, and they wished to remain internally consistent (the other option was to suddenly start using the full title without explanation, introducing a rather large retcon that this is what they ''should'' have been saying all along).
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It would appear that the TV series initially chose to continue using the shortened title "King of the Andals and the First Men" because it is what they had been using for three seasons, and they wished to remain internally consistent (the other option was to suddenly start using the full title without explanation, introducing a rather large retcon that this is what they ''should'' have been saying all along).
   
This isn't necessarily an inexplicable situation within the TV-continuity itself: Dorne was actually independent from the Targaryen realm for two centuries, and when they entered united with the Iron Throne they were allowed special privileges (such as maintaining their own equal primogeniture system, and even styling their ruling family as "[[Prince of Dorne|Princes of Dorne]]", not "[[Lord Paramount]] of Dorne". Thus it is possible that, in the TV continuity, the Targaryen kings simply never referred to themselves as Kings "of the Rhoynar" as well, even after the marriage-alliance (but still as "Lord of the Seven Kingdoms"), to acknowledge the fact that Dorne is still "ruled" by its own Princes, even if it is now subject to the Iron Throne (further acknowledging that Dorne is essentially a [[Wikipedia:Autonomous administrative division|semi-autonomous region]] of the Seven Kingdoms). It might have been one of the conditions of the marriage-alliance in the TV continuity.
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This isn't necessarily an inexplicable situation within the TV-continuity itself: Dorne was actually independent from the Targaryen realm for two centuries, and when they entered united with the Iron Throne they were allowed special privileges (such as maintaining their own equal primogeniture system, and even styling their ruling family as "[[Prince of Dorne|Princes of Dorne]]", not "[[Lord Paramount]] of Dorne". Thus it is possible that, in the TV continuity, the Targaryen kings simply never referred to themselves as Kings "of the Rhoynar" as well, even after the marriage-alliance (but still as "Lord of the Seven Kingdoms"), to acknowledge the fact that Dorne is still "ruled" by its own Princes, even if it is now subject to the Iron Throne (further acknowledging that Dorne is essentially a [[Wikipedia:Autonomous administrative division|semi-autonomous region]] of the Seven Kingdoms). It might have been one of the conditions of the marriage-alliance in the TV continuity.
   
As explained in the article for "[[Lord of the Seven Kingdoms]]", ''all'' of the Targaryen kings starting with Aegon I himself styled themselves as "King of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men" and "Lord of the Seven Kingdoms" - despite the fact that Dorne remained independent. Aegon I had declared himself king of all of Westeros just before his army even landed on the continent, Dorne included. While Dorne had been able to resist his armies and dragons through guerrilla warfare, Aegon himself never acknowledged that this was a permanent state of affairs. Aegon and all of his heirs considered themselves the ''de jure'' kings of the Rhoynar and of Dorne, even if they had no ''de facto'' control over it (comparable to how medieval English kings would at times hold titles of lordship over "Wales", "Ireland", and "France", despite not controlling all or even most of these territories). At no point (as readers sometimes have assumed) did Aegon ever "promote" [[the Riverlands]] into being considered the "seventh" kingdom (the Riverlands were occupied by the [[Iron Islands]] when he invaded and not an independent "kingdom", instead making up the "eighth" kingdom of sorts). Dorne was always the seventh of the "Seven Kingdoms", the Targaryens just refused to ever officially acknowledge that they did not actually control it - in the novels' continuity. In the TV continuity, therefore, the Targaryen kings may have just acknowledged for the first two centuries of their dynasty that they didn't actually rule the Rhoynar people in Dorne, and that one of the special privileges of Dorne uniting wit the Iron Throne through marriage-alliance one century ago is that the Targaryens didn't suddenly add "King of the Rhoynar" to their title.
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As explained in the article for "[[Lord of the Seven Kingdoms]]", ''all'' of the Targaryen kings starting with Aegon I himself styled themselves as "King of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men" and "Lord of the Seven Kingdoms" - despite the fact that Dorne remained independent. Aegon I had declared himself king of all of Westeros just before his army even landed on the continent, Dorne included. While Dorne had been able to resist his armies and dragons through guerrilla warfare, Aegon himself never acknowledged that this was a permanent state of affairs. Aegon and all of his heirs considered themselves the ''de jure'' kings of the Rhoynar and of Dorne, even if they had no ''de facto'' control over it (comparable to how medieval English kings would at times hold titles of lordship over "Wales", "Ireland", and "France", despite not controlling all or even most of these territories). At no point (as readers sometimes have assumed) did Aegon ever "promote" [[the Riverlands]] into being considered the "seventh" kingdom (the Riverlands were occupied by the [[Iron Islands]] when he invaded and not an independent "kingdom", instead making up the "eighth" kingdom of sorts). Dorne was always the seventh of the "Seven Kingdoms", the Targaryens just refused to ever officially acknowledge that they did not actually control it - in the novels' continuity. In the TV continuity, therefore, the Targaryen kings may have just acknowledged for the first two centuries of their dynasty that they didn't actually rule the Rhoynar people in Dorne, and that one of the special privileges of Dorne uniting wit the Iron Throne through marriage-alliance one century ago is that the Targaryens didn't suddenly add "King of the Rhoynar" to their title.
 
[[File:410 Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men.jpg|thumb|Missandei introduced Daenerys as "Queen of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men" in episode 4.10 "[[The Children]]"...]]
 
[[File:410 Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men.jpg|thumb|Missandei introduced Daenerys as "Queen of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men" in episode 4.10 "[[The Children]]"...]]
 
[[File:406 Queen of the Andals and the First Men.jpg|thumb|...even though Missandei introduced Daenerys as just "Queen of the Andals and the First Men" four episodes earlier in episode 4.6 "[[The Laws of Gods and Men]]".]]
 
[[File:406 Queen of the Andals and the First Men.jpg|thumb|...even though Missandei introduced Daenerys as just "Queen of the Andals and the First Men" four episodes earlier in episode 4.6 "[[The Laws of Gods and Men]]".]]
'''One notable exception to this occurred,''' however, when the TV series was not internally consistent and used the original full title from the novels, including mention of "the Rhoynar" - in the Season 4 finale, "[[The Children]]", when [[Missandei]] introduces [[Daenerys Targaryen]] as "Queen of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men". Moreover she was speaking in [[Low Valyrian]] at the time, so her lines were actually written in on-screen subtitles. This was not even consistent use for Missandei and Daenerys within Season 4 itself: earlier in episode 4.3 "[[The Laws of Gods and Men]]", Missandei introduced Daenerys as only "Queen of the Andals and the First Men" (again with on-screen subtitles, so this wasn't just a mistake by the actress but in the script). In the middle of Season 4, as already noted, no mention was made of the Rhoynar in the title even at Tommen's coronation in episode 4.5, when Oberyn Martell was standing in front of the audience.
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'''One notable exception to this occurred,''' however, when the TV series was not internally consistent and used the original full title from the novels, including mention of "the Rhoynar" - in the Season 4 finale, "[[The Children]]", when [[Missandei]] introduces [[Daenerys Targaryen]] as "Queen of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men". Moreover she was speaking in [[Low Valyrian]] at the time, so her lines were actually written in on-screen subtitles. This was not even consistent use for Missandei and Daenerys within Season 4 itself: earlier in episode 4.3 "[[The Laws of Gods and Men]]", Missandei introduced Daenerys as only "Queen of the Andals and the First Men" (again with on-screen subtitles, so this wasn't just a mistake by the actress but in the script). In the middle of Season 4, as already noted, no mention was made of the Rhoynar in the title even at Tommen's coronation in episode 4.5, when Oberyn Martell was standing in front of the audience.
   
No official word has come down to make sense of this, but it ''appears'' to simply be a mistake by the scriptwriters, i.e. they accidentally wrote the full book-version of the title and forgot their own change to the continuity. This conclusion is reinforced by a comment [[George R.R. Martin]] himself made:
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No official word has come down to make sense of this, but it ''appears'' to simply be a mistake by the scriptwriters, i.e. they accidentally wrote the full book-version of the title and forgot their own change to the continuity. This conclusion is reinforced by a comment [[George R.R. Martin]] himself made:
   
 
:''"It is true that the Targaryen succession on the series is different than the one in the novels; most notably, the Mad King's father Jaehaerys II was dropped, as was established way back in season one. In much the same way as the Rhoynar have been dropped from the royal titles, "King of Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men," etc."''<ref>[http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/12392 ]</ref>
 
:''"It is true that the Targaryen succession on the series is different than the one in the novels; most notably, the Mad King's father Jaehaerys II was dropped, as was established way back in season one. In much the same way as the Rhoynar have been dropped from the royal titles, "King of Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men," etc."''<ref>[http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/12392 ]</ref>
   
This strongly implies that there was an actual sit-down meeting of the writers back in Season 1 when they formally established the principle that the title in the TV continuity was ''officially'' going to be shortened to just "King of the Andals and the First Men", and as a scriptwriter in Season 1 Martin was aware of this. The title was also consistently given as "King of the Andals and the First Men" throughout Season 5, omitting the Rhoynar. The single use of the full book version of the title in the Season 3 finale therefore simply appears to be a script error and not canonical.
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This strongly implies that there was an actual sit-down meeting of the writers back in Season 1 when they formally established the principle that the title in the TV continuity was ''officially'' going to be shortened to just "King of the Andals and the First Men", and as a scriptwriter in Season 1 Martin was aware of this. The title was also consistently given as "King of the Andals and the First Men" throughout Season 5, omitting the Rhoynar. The single use of the full book version of the title in the Season 3 finale therefore simply appears to be a script error and not canonical.
   
 
===Ruling Queens===
 
===Ruling Queens===

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